Wednesday, March 18, 2009

Odd, but cool

An Australian company called Kogan (www.kogan.com.au) is preparing to launch its own netbook into the market.

These devices will come shipped with the Ubuntu based gOS. Its good to see that they're not dictated by Microsoft here.

The thing that caught my eye though, was that they said they had also tested other systems on their laptop and were offering to install them if the user wanted. One of the things they listed was KDE4 - amongst all the other Operating Systems they were mentioning. Odd, but hey - they must think its cool!

KDE4 is mentioned at the bottom of this article: Australia's Cheapest Netbook

The specs of the laptop are actually pretty good. The only thing I would say is that they're using a regular HDD, not SSD.

All things considered, its good to see a company of Kogan's size actively push Open Source (and particlarly, KDE4!) into the public's eye. I would be interested to see how these netbooks perform in the real world.

15 comments:

  1. spin, spin, spin.

    KDE cult members can do nothing but spin the truth.

    Please read blog posting from march 10th on same website where they say and I quote

    "I tried it out myself, and played with Ubuntu Netbook Remix, KDE 4, and a few others as well. At the end of the day, gOS was clearly the best flavour of linux for the Kogan netbook."

    http://www.kogan.com.au/blog/2009/mar/10/Kogan-Netbook-gOS-linux/

    So the real news would be "Next generation KDE4 with Aaron Seigo's Plasma desktop trumped by gOS with GNOME." Eat that, KDE fanatics!

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  2. What other operating systems they were talking than Linux? Does anyone know for sure? It would be nice to get FreeBSD or OpenBSD.

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  3. Right... lets see if it actually comes out... Ive not seen their cellphone yet...

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  4. @I Love

    Sorry, but I wasn't intending to spin anything. It just caught my eye that they specifically mentioned it.

    "Next generation KDE4 with Aaron Seigo's Plasma desktop trumped by gOS with GNOME."

    Perhaps you haven't really thought about this. If you'd sat in your chair and thought before you posted this you'd realise that KDE4 is really only now coming into its own. You'd also realise that no popular distro yet ships with KDE 4.2 by default. If you think about this, you'd realise that OF COURSE Kogan would go with the tried and tested solution.

    Seriously, think before you speak - or comment.

    By the way, in the next year, unless Gnome do something drastic with their 3.0 release, I think you'll find a big resurgence of support for KDE and specifically KDE 4.x.

    @Jussi01

    Their phone was cancelled. I was disappointed by this too. But they cancelled it basically because no developers were going to code for their small screen (Android). They had a meeting with Google about this.

    Also, the laptop has actually been released. You can get one now.

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  5. Further to my last comment, Kogan are actually in the process of designing a better phone.

    This time around it will be a lot bigger screen, better hardware and look better.

    I'm actually looking forward to seeing what they do.

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  6. @Fri13

    They didn't speak of xBSD specifically, but I would imagine that they'd install it for you.

    From the article I linked to, they seemed eager to point out that they're willing to help get whatever you want installed on it.

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  7. @ Socceroos

    Back with the old General Motors argument eh? mate?

    Our current product sucks ass, but 2 years form now we will have a resurgence and kick butt.

    Yeah right. We will see when that happens.

    They said KDE4 was new before 4.0 was released. They said it is new when 4.0 was released, they are saying it is new now when a year later 4.2 is released.

    There seems to be no end to the excuses. Oh wait! There have been improvements, new wallpapers, new themes. And you know what, the panel can now autohide. WOW!!!

    Can we please stop comparing KDE4 to KDE3 and saying it is a vast improvement and compare KDE4 with other contemporary desktops?

    What is so pathbreaking in KDE4.3 compared to Windows 7? translucent panel? weather applet?

    What is so pathbreaking in KDE 4.3 compared to OSX Snow Leopard? The fact that I can using Zooming interface to crash my computer?

    Stop giving excuses about KDE4 is new. It has been new for over a year now. Nothing interesting yet.

    And for crying out loud. Netbooks are selling like hotcakes. There is no netbook interface yet. And guess what Suse is not releasing anything based on 4.3 till november, so that is not gonna change either.

    ANd in case you havent got out of your basement to see the world outside, let me inform you that XFCE 4.6 does compositing, Slitaz with openbox does compositing, neither of them is bitching about nvidia drivers like YOUR KDE did for 6 months. Enough Said.

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  8. @I Love

    Mate, you offered no compelling argument. Please read your comment back to yourself. You've basically thrown a bunch of accusations and then compared it to other products.

    Lets de-construct your "arguments" a bit:

    "Our current product sucks ass, but 2 years form now we will have a resurgence and kick butt."

    I never said that. I'm sorry if you've interpreted it that way - but thats not my fault. Let me explain.

    Our current product, KDE 4.2, actually KICKS PLENT 'O ASS. Yes, our CURRENT PRODUCT.

    KDE 4.2 is stable, intuitive and forward thinking. I sat both KDE 4.2 and Gnome in front of my friend (I give them a choice when helping install Linux) - they chose KDE because they liked it far better. They've since told me multiple times that they think its the best thing since sliced bread. Its not just the front end either, KDE4 really has been built on top of some great 'pillars' that are now shining through - and that will only get better by the way.


    "Can we please stop comparing KDE4 to KDE3"

    Ok, at this point you're really just trolling. Please re-read my post and my comments. AT WHAT POINT DID I COMPARE KDE3 WITH KDE4??


    "They said KDE4 was new before 4.0 was released. They said it is new when 4.0 was released, they are saying it is new now when a year later 4.2 is released."

    I think you'll find that with each new release of any product - the world over - they will tell you why its new. New features, new bug fixes, new themes, new programs - the list goes on.

    I think you're referring to when the developers labelled KDE4 'ready'. They NEVER said that KDE 4.0 was 'ready' for the average consumer. They had hoped that KDE 4.1 would be 'ready', but in the end they STILL didn't label it 'ready' for the average consumer. They then got to KDE 4.2 and labeled it 'ready'. And I can tell you, it is. I think you'll find (go and look) that the people who were saying 'ITS READY ITS READY!' were the journalists and bloggers who wanted hits on their websites.


    "What is so pathbreaking in KDE4.3 compared to Windows 7?"

    I can tell you now, neither Windows 7 or KDE 4.3 have actually been released. What I can tell you though is this - Microsoft have stressed that Windows 7 is already feature complete, but KDE 4.3 isn't. In fact, we're yet to see what gets included in KDE 4.3.

    How about you compare, KDE 4.3, Windows 7 and OSX Snow Leopard when they're all out. That way you can truly point the finger if you've got a leg to stand on.


    "And guess what Suse is not releasing anything based on 4.3 till november, so that is not gonna change either."

    Sorry, why is that a point? You're arguing on my side there. If you'll just note that KDE4 doesn't have a 'netbook interface' because it doesn't need one. It was built from scratch to run on small devices. Did you know that it runs on the OpenMoko phone? how thats a small screen. What about the Nokia internet tablet - it runs well on that too. More trolling.


    "ANd in case you havent got out of your basement to see the world outside, let me inform you that XFCE 4.6 does compositing, Slitaz with openbox does compositing, neither of them is bitching about nvidia drivers like YOUR KDE did for 6 months. Enough Said."

    In terms of getting out of my basement - just to point it out, I don't have a basement. I also consider myself a sportsman - I especially love football, badminton and cricket. I digress...

    I'm aware that other desktop environments have compositing - that isn't news to me. And in terms of your 'argument' about the Nvidia issue, please note that Nvidia themselves owned up to this being their fault and fixed it in their graphics drivers.

    There is also something to be said for the way KDE4 has been written. The developers actively avoid 'hacks' to get around problems and prefer to go to the 'source' to fix it (excuse the pun) which in this case turned out to be Nvidia's drivers.


    Finally, just so you know. If you plan to post any further comments I'm going to have to require you to be more civil and also to think through your arguments before you start sprouting out all this drivel.

    IF YOU DON'T, I'm going to delete your comment.

    I really am hoping you can be more civil with your arguments and actually research them too. I have this bad feeling that you're just another raging adolescent though....

    =)

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  9. @ Socceroos

    A person from a nation whose entire ancestry is made of convicts teaching others to be civil. Well well. Havent seen a funnier one than that. Go ahead. Delete the post

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  10. @ I Love

    Lol, I'm going to leave that one on there just for kicks!

    Also, I was just reading on Einar's blog about you.

    I noticed you said this: "Socceroos then chooses to take another posting from the manufacturer website where KDE4 is only listed in passing at the bottom, and spin it as a victory for KDE4."

    What I said was, "All things considered, its good to see a company of Kogan’s size actively push Open Source (and particlarly, KDE4!) into the public’s eye"

    Basically, you've misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't calling it a win for KDE, nor was I implying that they were specifically singling out KDE for 'praise', what I was actually saying is that I was glad to see KDE just get a mention!

    Yeah, thats right, I wasn't saying that KDE was receiving accolades from Kogan, I was saying that I PERSONALLY was glad to see it get a mention. As in, they acknowledged that it exists.

    Now, I know you have your own opinions on KDE4 and its usefulness. But please note that my post was not intended to highlight a 'win' for KDE because another company was pushing it. I was saying it was cool to see it get a mention. DESPITE the fact that they chose a Gnome based distro.

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  11. I own a lenovo S10. I run the latest Kubuntu alpha with 4.2

    All in all it seems high on gloss and low on usability.

    It might run on the lowest hardware, but try using some "killer features" like zooming interfaces etc, and the processor grinds to a halt.

    You might have got kudos for KDE4 from your friends, but usability wise, Ubuntu or Mint top anyday. It is not without reason that they are the top community distros on Distrowatch, if you can neglect the fact that Suse and Redhat have been around more than a decade and the associated fan following that goes with it

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  12. With all due respect to the Kubuntu team, Kubuntu isn't the best KDE distro going around. It always plays second fiddle to Ubuntu.

    I would suggest waiting until Suse or Fedora come out with their release of KDE 4.2 (or 4.3 by the time of next release).

    By the way, I do rate Ubuntu as the most usable distro out there today - but that is because of the ammount of integration and effort they put into Gnome. I'm sure if they were to try the same with KDE4 you could see some pleasing results.

    Also worth noting, Mark Shuttleworth has hired some KDE developers - obviously he thinks its worth investing in - and he's no slouch.

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  15. @I Love

    I told you to be polite. It seems you're refusing to listen.

    Please note, if you act like a child - I will treat you like one. Hence my taking away your privilege to post comments.

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